Monday, February 05, 2007

Hostile Feelings

World War II ended 15,000 days ago (about 41 years) prior to my birth. It was a time the world was in pain. A time that still haunts millions of us across the globe.
Even though I was never around for the actual war, or for that matter really sat down and talked to someone in that war, I still have strong feelings towards a specific subject.

Germany.

As it is commonly known the nation of Germany was lead by dictator Adolf Hilter and his Nazi political party. And what is also known is behind his leadership the Germans sought to exterminate the planet of all Jewish people.

This is were my deep feelings lie.

During the Holocaust it is estimated between 6-9 million Jews were killed. Reread that several times if you would like.

That is the equivalent of wiping out the city of New York. Just think of that.

I understand I was never around during WWII, but honestly I still have a grudge against the Germans in some regards. Now I am not angry at my generation Germans. I am upset at the WWII generation. You think the WWII German veterans disagree with what they did? No. You think they regret the actions they took? No.

That thought alone baffles me.

Yes, I understand Hitler was so influential, but does there not come a certain point when morality kicks in? Would you not think to yourself, "I am supporting the killing of children and women. This is wrong!"

I try and think of the one group of people I hate the most on this planet. The Al-Qaeda terrorists. In my angriest state I would want to have them all executed, but the mothers and children? No! Germany did just that. They executed men, women, and children.

In September of 1941 in Babi Yar, a city in Ukraine, the Germans performed one of the most horrifying acts in human history. In the midst of two days, Nazi troops lined up Jews living in Ukraine and shot them all. Thousands were told to congregate at a public place for a town meeting. Before the citizens were able to realize what was going on, machine guns were being fired.

During this 2 day massacre, 37,000 Ukrainians were killed.

37,000 in 2 days.

That is why I can never understand a joke made about the Holocaust. The Holocaust is by far one of the most Satanic acts ever performed by man.

In time I can only hope I will be able to forgive the Germans of that era. As of now, I still am angered by the acts they performed. And worst of all, the people who supported them.

8 comments:

Christopher Peters said...

The reason why a massacre like this is hard to fathom, in terms of why individuals would carry out the liquidation of mass peoples, is because we're looking at it in a vacuum. 60 years later. We don't see the build up of nationalism- patriotism in Nazi Germany. They simply believed what they were doing was right b/c of propaganda from the government.

Why don't we talk about the 54,000 dead Iraqis we're responsible for liquidating? (per fox news, http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Feb01/0,4670,IraqByTheNumbers,00.html)

This is why we don't revolt when it's discovered that there are no WMDs. It's un-American, un-Patriotic.

To the truth in a situation one must remove himself from that situation, study the situation, study history and philosophy. Then, and only then can an individual so the disgusting truth of his own situation.

Those who continue to support this war, this president are merely on the United State's side of the wall....they are blind and cannot see both sides.

Chris Ballay said...

Comparing the Holocaust to the killing of 54,000 Iraqis could not be a more of an off comment. The insurgent Iraqis fought against American efforts to liberate millions of people. The Jews did not do anything, except follow a certain religion. Comparing those 2 completely different parties is completely false.

You say those who continue to support the war are "blind to both sides." But let me ask you this, what is the "American" side? That this war is terrible, it's awful and nothing short of catastrophe...which in turn is what you think. So if anything your thoughs and feeling are the "blind" thoughts considering they do reflect that generic one-sided view the media portrays to the public.

Opening your eyes to the war is looking past the media's so-called "objective" views.

Nathan said...

ballay, i think you must be confused. the 54k number peters is referring to is the number of innocent iraqi civilians killed, not insurgents. those iraqi's, like the jews during ww2, are only guilty of being born. so his comparison is justified.

rob wurth said...

to the lib and lib defender: it's convenient how you state the facts to make your idealistic case, while leaving out the circumstances and history that are involved and required to understand the big picture. you're right, give or take, that 54k is damn near the death toll of civilians over there since the U.S. (essentially uni-laterally)-led war. and it's a damn shame too. but put a band-aid on that bleeding liberal heart of yours for a second and wake up to the real-world. the world in which, under Sadaam, over 600,000 innocent Iraqis were executed [The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq]. In fact, Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis.

Now I'm not making any arguments one way or the other as to the problems we're in over there now, how we got into the situation, how we get out, WMDs, or otherwise. We most likely don't agree on those issues and typical points of contention either, but I don't have the time for those right now.

I'm simply making the point that to view this war as a U.S.-led killing of 54k innocent Iraqis is to, as you say would say, look at it as in a vacuum. But then again, the liberal vacuum is a strong one, despite how hard their party members blow.

rob wurth said...

to the lib and lib defender: it's convenient how you state the facts to make your idealistic case, while leaving out the circumstances and history that are involved and required to understand the big picture. you're right, give or take, that 54k is damn near the death toll of civilians over there since the U.S. (essentially uni-laterally)-led war. and it's a damn shame too. but put a band-aid on that bleeding liberal heart of yours for a second and wake up to the real-world. the world in which, under Sadaam, over 600,000 innocent Iraqis were executed [The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq]. In fact, Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis.

Now I'm not making any arguments one way or the other as to the problems we're in over there now, how we got into the situation, how we get out, WMDs, or otherwise. We most likely don't agree on those issues and typical points of contention either, but I don't have the time for those right now.

I'm simply making the point that to view this war as a U.S.-led killing of 54k innocent Iraqis is to, as you say would say, look at it as in a vacuum. But then again, the liberal vacuum is a strong one, despite how hard their party members blow.

Christopher Peters said...

Rob Wurth,

Your argument is nothing more than a cheap attack on "lib and lib defender." It is not a coherent rebuttal of the idea posed.

I don't doubt the number of Iraqis you say were killed by Saddam, despite the lack of credibility your source provides. [The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq] I mean seriously! This group was clearly setup with the explicit purpose of supporting claims like yours, and to protect the administration from claims or war crimes.

Anyhow, so 600,000 people killed under Saddam, 54,000 (prob. a lowball) killed under the U.S....now why don't we figure in the number killed in the future...it could be anything.

Forgive me my friend if I've lost the plot, another century spent pointing guns at anything that moves...

God said...

Some people need to take a research class.
The only "credible" source is a first-hand source. That being said not any number posted can be an "accurate" portrayal of how many people have actaully been killed.
This quote is priceless...
"54,000 (prob. a lowball) killed under the U.S"...assuming more have been killed based off an already inaccurate number is just absured, unjustified and obviously one sided.

Anti-drugs said...

To mister Tri-phony...
"the 54k number peters is referring to is the number of innocent iraqi civilians killed, not insurgents. those iraqi's, like the jews during ww2, are only guilty of being born. so his comparison is justified."

-So you are telling me that Americans who are fighting for our freedom are killing innocent people...hmm...
Not only are our troops fighting and yes killing for our freedom, but also for the freedom of millions of others in the Iraq and neighboring Middle Eastern countries.

"Over the past five years, 400,000 Iraqi children under the age of five died of malnutrition and disease, preventively, but died because of the nature of the regime under which they are living." Prime Minister Tony Blair said on March 27, 2003.

-I guess this was just an unlucky bunch under the reign of Saddamm Hussien...Heaven forbid we try to stop this from happening, I guess we should just have let Saddamm carry on.

For Peters...where do I begin...

"despite the lack of credibility your source provides. [The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq] I mean seriously! This group was clearly setup with the explicit purpose of supporting claims like yours, and to protect the administration from claims or war crimes."

-Riiggghhht. The lack of credibilty. Well, how credible is your information?

"Anyhow, so 600,000 people killed under Saddam, 54,000 (prob. a lowball) killed under the U.S"

-"Prob. a lowball"...and the facts and "credibility" of your sources are where?!?!
First rule of research, never assume anything when trying to prove a point!

"now why don't we figure in the number killed in the future...it could be anything."

-Are you saying Saddamm Hussien would actually stop killing people, that we should have done nothing? Do we let murderers or rapists stay free because we feel confident that would not commit the crime again? Hell no!
-According to many "sources," Hussien killed hundreds of thousands of lives, possibly millions.
-War is not a showcase of death totals.
-If Hussien was not killed, how many more innocent lives would he have killed. Can you see that one in your crystal ball?
Yes, tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians have probably died in the War on Terror. After thousands upon thousands of innocent people have been executed under Hussien's reign, a War was needed to prevent his reign to pursuit any farther.

-Comparing this War to the Holocaust is just plain stupid. Comparing the deaths of 18 MILLION innocent jews, christians, blacks, gypsies, etc. to "54,000" Al-Quida members and others fighting for Hussien and Bin-Ladin is absurd.

-You saying this war is meaningless is like saying we should have never stopped the Holocaust from ever ending.

"If there is a person, then there is a problem. If there is no person, then there is no problem."
-sincerly Saddam Hussein.